moui, on pourrait discuter de l'irresponsabilité des parents. Mais en quoi cela pourrait-il "justifier" quoi que ce soit envers les victimes?
Dans le même ordre d'idées (et je ne veux attaquer/choquer personne ici, que les choses soient claires) : c'est un peu l'histoire de la fille qui se fait violer mais qui portait une mini-jupe.
Souvent, la réaction première, c'est : oui, mais elle l'a un peu cherché, non ?
Et alors, en quoi ceci explique/justifie cela?
j suis plutôt d'accord avec Cotontige.. mais c'est vrai un peu partout; si on empeche pas les gens de faire n'importe quoi, ils vont d'office le faire.. je le vois au boulot, si on empeche pas les gens d'encoder n'importe quoi dans une base de données, ils y mettront n'importe quoi, d'office..
si on empeche pas les gens de tuer des filles, yen aura qui le feront.. c'est ahurissant, et bien d'autres mots encore, les mêmes que ceux que vous avez en bouche, tous..
Je rejoins PaKaL et Choc' dans le fait que les parents sont partiellement résponsables. Trainer en plein milieu de la nuit dans un café à une braderie avec des enfants que l'on laisse comme ça courrir, c'est pas très malin. Ils ont leurs torts, vrai, et pas grand monde contredira.
Mais ce qui m'atriste dans cette historie (et qui a donné lieu à ce billet) c'est que 2 petites fillettes ont été tués, comme ça, sans raison. Que les parents ai tenu un oeuil sur leurs enfants ou pas, rien ne changera le fait que c'est un acte barbare pour lequel aucun qualificatif n'existe comme le dis choc'.
Mon but n'était pas de lancer un débat la dessus sur ce site, juste un message pour dire que la mort des 2 fillettes m'atriste...
Tu vois contontige... Ma phrase est dure mais reflete une triste réalité, celle que tout le monde n'ose pas dire...
Et tu vois moi aussi je suis vieux, éléver par une grand mère qui m'avait toujours à l'oeil, TOUJOURS même à la musette du pircha...
Je devais toujours rester dans mon quartier soius le regard d'un voisin, je n'ai pu commencer a faire des tour de quartier a vélo qu'a l'age de tout ans...
Alors quand j'enttend que les temps on changés mais que les parents désertent il ne faut pas s'etonner...
Maintenant c'est pas parce que je suis cynique, voire realiste, ou reac pour certain que ne condane pas les fait mais a quoi bon... Les faits n'aurait pas lieu d'être si cerains avaient pris leur responsabilités et il n'y aurait pas de coupable non plus...
ET maintenant le show médiatique ou l'on cherche un reponsable et les erreur de la police/justice...
"Oui mais comment cela se fait il qu'on les retrouve a 400m, (200 m selon certains) de là, comment ca se fait qu'on a pas fouillé là, 18 jours pour ca, etc etc..."
maintenant on va chercher les disfonctionnement dans les institutions, un coupable parfait pour calmé le peuple...
Enfin cela reste une triste lecon pour les parents mais ce sont encore les innocent qui paient...
Alors oui, t'es vieux, moi aussi d'ou cette petite phrase assassine... qui veut mieux que toutes les "Mais pourquoi, oooh c est horrible, triste actualité, qu'a fait la justice" et l'avalange de billet plus miévreux les uns que les autres qui ne résolve pas plus que ma remarque...
PaKaL, tu n'as pas a te justifier de quoi que ce soit, j'ai dû mal interpréter tes propos (que je te remercie d'avoir éclairci, au moins, je comprends maintenant ton point de vue).
Mais tu n'as effectivement de compte à rendre à personne. C'est juste que, hier, j'en avais un peu la nausée de cette histoire. Alors, c'est vrai, ta phrase résume bien la situation, mais permets moi de ne l'avoir pas ou mal comprise / interprétée dans le feu de l'action.
Ta lucidité est certainement plus rapide que la mienne (et c'est pas une vanne!)
Concernant la vigilance des parents, le problème, justement, c'est de ne pas céder à cette espèce de panique ambiante. Oui, c'est clair : mes gosses sont toujours à portée de vue. Oui, je les surveille peut-être même d'un peu trop près. Oui, j'ai un sentiment de parano qui s'est développé au fil du temps.
Est-ce que je sors avec eux dans un café jusqu'à deux heures du matin en pleine ? Non. Est-ce que quelques minutes d'inattention peuvent arriver, parfois? Ben oui.
Le tout est de ne pas sombrer dans la paranoïa constante (ce qui est assez difficile). Laisser suffisamment de libertés mais rester vigilant : c'est la quadrature du cercle !
Mais il s'agit peut-être de questions que ces parents-là ne se sont pas posés.
Donc, pour résumer mon propos : si tu as eu le sentiment que je te "demandais des comptes", désolé. Ce n'était pas mon but.
Ben vi je me justifie aussi vu l'étroitesse d'esprit de certain lecteur... Je comprends ta réaction même si ce commentaire ne se voulais pas drole mais disant réactif...
Tu devrais le savoir je peux dire des choses décalées sans pour cela être drôle (dans le sans moqueur)...
Peggy: Et qu'est-ce que le fait d'avoir des enfants à avoir la dedans... On peut ne pas avoir d'enfant et se sentir concerné...
Ce n'est pas parce qu'on fait une remarque cinglante qui va a l encontre de tous les debordement de compasion et de sentiments qu'on est irresponsable et non concerné...
J'ai souri en lisant les comments ci-dessus et les avis divergents des ceusses qui sont parents et ceusses qui ne le sont pas encore. Les gens qui n'ont pas d'enfants semblent ne pas comprendre que des parents n'aient pas les yeux rivés en permanence sur leurs enfants.
Mais, euh, Pakal, je ne voulais vexer personne. Vraiment ce n'est pas mon but. D'ailleurs, on ne se connaît pas.
Je ne suis pas une mère parfaite car il m'arrive de laisser jouer mes enfants seuls dehors. C'est aussi l'apprentissage de la vie. Mais c'est sûr qu'il n'est jamais 2h du mat'.
NB: Dolores O'Riordan, c'est pas une fucking conservative celle là ? Sous ses airs de Lolita de la pop irlandaise, se cache une âme de Vaticaniste...Ooh pardon, je m'oublie
Possible, je ne sais pas, jamais creusé! Mais j'ai toujours aimé les chansons des Cranberries et la voix de la Dolores, je voulais mettre la video de "Fi Fi Foo" dont certaines paroles convergent avec l'actualité mais visiblement ça n'exiss' pas.
"Les gens qui n'ont pas d'enfants semblent ne pas comprendre que des parents n'aient pas les yeux rivés en permanence sur leurs enfants"...
Il n'a jamais été question de garder les yeux en permanence rivés sur ses gosses. Il est ici question de laisser des enfants de 7 et 11 ans seuls à 23.00 dehors pendant qu'on se bourre la gl dans un café.
Qu'on ai des enfants ou pas, je ne vois pas ce qu'il y a à comprendre à un tel acte d'irresponsablilité et ce qui fait sourire dans les réactions de certains ?! Il s'agit de pur bon-sens.
Triste journée, un peu comme toute les journées... Eh bien oui les parents ont des torts dans cette histoire, c'est certains. Mais le coupable la-dedans c'est celui qui les a enlevées, et tuées. Et ça, quoique les parents aie pu faire; ils en sont punis à vie maintenant! Ceux la risquent de tomber dans l'extrème inverse maintenant: la paranoïa. Ce qui "me fais rire" (très très jaune) c'est qu'on a seulement cherché à cet endroit mercredi car on avais pas de débrouissailleuse. Faut pas venir me dire que dans tout ce fucking pays y'a pas quelqu'un qui aurais pu en prêter une! Ils auraient demandés ils en auraient certainement eu par milier même... C'est pitoyable; tout le monde est coupable dans cette histoire; certains plus que d'autres. Mais maintenant c'est trop tard et jetter des pierres ne servira plus à rien. Qu'on en tire les leçon, c'est tout. Et que les parents et amis puissent trouver un soutient humain, c'est ce qui est important maintenant...
Bein c'est pas une alliance de MACistes, c'est une question de bon sens! Evidemment, que l'on ne s'y perde pas, le vrai coupable reste à identifier par les enquêteur comme je n'accable pas les parents dans la douleur et suis conscient que même avec la meilleure attention du monde, il y aura toujours des proies et des prédateurs.
Toutefois, se bourrer la gueule et se contrefoutre de savoir où sont ses mômes à une pareille heure de la nuit, c'est déjà ouvrir la porte à un éventuel incident/accident! Ce n'est même pas une question de pédophiles mais aussi d'accident domestique...
C'est peut-être une erreur de ma part de ne jamais avoir vraiment creusé les paroles que d'entendre la jolie voix de Dolores et la musique... Mais effectivement, tu a raison (tu a toujours raison, pas pour rien qu'on t'appelle Maître )
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